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Name: Dobildbow
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Name: Margaret
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Oh boy. When your site starts being a venue for viagara spam maybe it's time to shut it down....?
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Name: Mad
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I'm so tired of you people lying about and picking on Bristol.
Leave her and her baby Tripp alone!
Anyone who still believes in "Babygate" needs help.
Your hatred of the Palin family is blinding you.
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Name: Margaret
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Incidentally, pictures don't constitute proof. Google Images for "kidman pregnant mgm awards". There are a number of pictures of Nicole Kidman at 7 months in a silver dress and pink background. In the side shots she looks like she has a cannonball in there, in the front shots it barely shows. Guess which angle is in the Bree Palin pictures!
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Name: Margaret
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Hangingon, maybe you should do your own homework. I was responding specifically to General Hypocricy, who said "Her moral objective is to preach abstinence only, yet it is something that has failed within her own family". It's easy to throw around hateful talking points, but how about a reasonable discussion instead.
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Name: HangingOn
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Oh, and Margaret, you certainly seem to have done your homework - not.
You think people are coming down on Sarah and her daughter because their abstinence-only campaign is a huge failure and the proof is in the babies.
My suggestion to you would be to remember that this woman is signing petitions and speaking to electorates and trying to sway political opinion. The venom that you speak of is directed towards a hypocrite (and, in light of lying about her son, a liar) who wants everyone to adopt her way of thinking. The media has hardly gone near the Trig parentage question, so this boo-hooing about the media and how mean it is about this actually is a false claim.
They do mention the Trig parentage rumour in the Fox news clip though, lol! Wow, I guess even Fox heard the rumours, and had to hide the video so nobody would know that even they they had their suspicions!
Go check out the video at Bree Palin.
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Name: HangingOn
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I have to laugh at everyone insisting that two pregnancies from one person are not possible because of the dates given. And whoever said Sarah would have to *cover up* a second pregnancy. This seems to imply that she had already been covering up a first pregnancy!
And Bristol should keep her newborn at home! Yeah - just like Trig was kept at home during the convention last year!
So here is what we know now -
Sarah Palin is no longer Governor and we have no real explanation as to why she quit.
Bristol Palin seems to have a baby named Tripp - first she says abstinence is not realistic, then she says it is, then she says.... nothing. No sign of her Candies campaign continuing.
We would not know who Bristol is, or whether or not she was pregnant once, twice, or at all, if her mother said nothing about her. So let me clarify here a point on whether or not *children* are off-limits:
BRISTOL BEING ON THE COVER OF PEOPLE, BRISTOL ON GVS FOX NEWS INTERVIEW, and BRISTOL DOING CANDIES PROMOTIONS means BRISTOL IS NO LONGER JUST A PRIVATE CITIZEN, and NO LONGER A CHILD. And we have the right to ask as many questions as we like about her or her actions.
SARAH PALIN WAS GOVERNOR OF ALASKA AND WAS VP NOMINEE 2008. SARAH PALIN SPEAKS PUBLICLY ON POLITICAL ISSUES. AND WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK AS MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT HER AS WE LIKE.
So, now for some of those questions... such as
Why have all of the facts (amniocentesis was done... abortion was considered...) been saved until AFTER Trigs birth.
Why does the one - ONE - picture of Sarah appearing pregnant not only get scrubbed from the internet (anonymous Flicker account belonging to nobody who will or has admitted it) but flies directly in the face of every flight attendant on the wild ride from Texas - Alaska who said her pregnancy was NOT APPARENT UPON OBSERVATION.
So - you all can tell she was pregnant by looking at that one picture, when there had to have been at least two airline attendants who spoke to her or at the very least who saw her in person, and saw no reason to believe she was pregnant at all.
One picture, she looks pregnant. Plenty of pictures when she was supposed to be pregnant and looked most clearly and undeniably un-pregnant! And most of which have been SCRUBBED FROM THE INTERNET!!!
So let us do this without mentioning Bristol to appease all of the *think of the children* types reading this.
Sarah Palin lied about her pregnancy. This has nothing to do with any of her daughters, or any baby. THIS IS ABOUT SARAH PALIN, who lied about being pregnant on the national stage.
If she DID give birth to Trig, there would be proof when reporters came calling to expose the story as a hoax. The Alaska Daily News tried to prove Sarah DID give birth to Trig and COULD NOT - why... because THEY COULD NOT GATHER ANY INFORMATION OR EVIDENCE PROVING SHE DID!!!
Bree Palin has video clearly showing Sarah Palin ten days before birth - and five days before the hugely pregnant looking photo - looking very, very un-pregnant. If anyone thinks she went from hiding it so well that nobody could tell by looking, to, five days later, looking unmistakably pregnant... well, then, I guess they will just believe anything they are told and would prefer not to *see* truth when it makes them feel like an idiot for just taking someone at face value.
See Bree Palin Sept. 26th post for proof that Sarah Palin, US VP nominee for 2008, faked her fifth pregnancy with Trig Paxton Van Palin. And there are a lot of people involved in the cover-up - including the good doctor Johnson, the Johnston family, some at Fox news (must be why they buried the video footage of Sarah looking super-slim ten days before *giving birth* for 17 months!), and some in the Republican party.
When the lid blows, a lot of you who took her at her word - dates of birth, details of labour, bridge to nowhere, death panels, Willow rape joke, etc. - will just have to question things a little more in the future. And the lid is blowing soon, since this Fox video is about to hit the MSM and all outlets in between.
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Name: Margaret
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Kay, I have said many times that I am not defending Sarah Palins, per se, I am commenting on the demonization of her and her daughter, when they are just going through the same thing that 750,000 other American families go through every year. They thought abstinence would work, others thought birth control would work. The end result is the same (pregnancy), and those that don't go through it know very well that they were just lucky. Whatever else you think of Palin, why would any decent person heap ridicule and venom on her for this? Some people are even giving David Letterman a pass for his tasteless "jokes", if it had been ANYONE else he would have been universally condemned. And it would be nice if I could get a real answer that doesn't just regurgitate some warmed up talking points that have nothing to do with the issue.
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Name: Steph
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And a lot of people who have chastised the Palins make me sick. 
The child that I am carrying is evidence that birth control is not 100% effective. Yes, I was taking BCP (and yes, I was actually taking them). Just goes to show that there's a reason birth control is only 99% effective, even when used correctly.
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Name: Kay
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Margaret, you speak of Palin's opinions as being well-founded, yet it seems they are not her opinions but Newt Gingrich's opinions since she plagiarized most of her last speech from his writings. Of course, however, she tried to cover up her lies with a mere mentioning of his name. She is a fake, liar, and not fit to serve in public office. However, I would like to say that agree with your statement that if your son were to impregnant a girl his college would be over. But, Palin's daughter will go to college; the tax payers will foot that bill as an unwed mother; she can get loans, grants, federal funding. These backalley Republicans make me sick.
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Name: Margaret
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GH, I don’t know where you are located, but I doubt you can hang all of those 750,000 unplanned pregnancies on a lack of sex-ed. I’d like to find an American teenager who has never heard of condoms or birth control pills. The important part of sex education is not the biology (which is probably already covered in the health classes you mention) but the whole context of sex: is it just something you just do for recreational pleasure, or is it connected to settling down in a committed relationship. Do you really want some teacher - with who knows what kind of agenda - instructing your child in this regard? This is the PARENT'S prerogative and duty.
While I agree that times have changed, I don’t think the mildly permissive attitude of “we’d rather you didn’t, but if you do…” serves kids very well. As adults we know that, if a girl starts having sex at age 14, she will probably be feeling like a used tissue by the time she is 18 or 19. If she is lucky, she will come away with just the dawning realisation that all those eager adolescent boys were not in love with her, just after her body. If not, she could be carrying some emotional baggage into her adult years, along with an STD or two, and maybe even be “punished” with a baby (no contraceptive is 100% effective). Delegating this momentous decision to her at an age where we would probably veto a tattoo or nose-ring is crazy. Call me idealistic, but I think that instilling one's values (including respect for others), raising a confident child who can resist peer pressure, maintaining adequate supervision, and putting in some level of fear of the consequences, can work at least as well as just giving up and handing out condoms or pills. (My son has known since the age of 12 that if he knocks a girl up, his promised university education is toast, he’ll have to get a job to support the girl and the baby and we'll be doing a world cruise with the money. I’ll bet that gives him at least some cause to pause).
In any case, I am neither religious nor a Palin adherent, I am simply pointing out that I think there is actually a reasonable case for teaching abstinence, at least as an option. Disagree with Sarah Palin if you like, but I don’t see why she should be demonized for her opinion, or why it should be discounted because in one particular case it didn’t work out.
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Name: General Hypocrisy
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Margaret, What I see as the true hypocrisy here is the fact that Sarah Palin is in a position of power and has the ability to influence the laws that affect alot of people. Her moral objective is to preach abstinence only, yet it is something that has failed within her own family. You bring up the millions of other teenage pregnancies and how that is somehow proof that promotion of contraception doesn't work either. The only problem with your argument is that the schools are not promoting contraception thanks to people like Sarah Palin. The schools in my area don't make condoms available to kids, they don't talk to kids about sex and the dangers of unprotected sex. They have a "health" class and spend a few days discussing reproduction and outdated topics from when our grandparents went to school. They are not discussing the real issues that kids are faced with today. They don't help them to understand that while it is ok to say no and not have sex, that sometimes you just might want to and if that is the case, then you NEED to protect yourself and your partner. They need to set these kids down and show them video of women giving birth, pictures of people with STD's and discuss with them how to be prepared, how to use protection and why they need to.
People like Sarah Palin like to ignore the fact that teenagers are having sex. They think they can pray a little harder and tell their kids, just don't do it and all will be good. Bull*hit! WE need to prepare our kids for the dangers of the world and one of those dangers is unprotected sex. I'm not laying this all at the feet of the school system either. Parents need to step up and talk with their kids. Let them know they can ask questions and give them honest answers. Telling little Johny to keep his willy tucked away just doesn't cut it anymore. Because our schools don't discuss these issues with our kids, my wife and I made sure to do it. We talk to our 16 year old daughter openly and honestly about sex. When she turned 14 we gave her a box of condoms and explained that while we would rather she doesn't go running out and use them, if she finds herself in a position where she is going to have sex, then she damn well better have her boyfriend use one.
Also, I fail to see how Sarah Palin proves herself to be an upstanding moral person because she got married while she was knocked up and her family has been together for 20 years? She presents herself to be morally righteous and a figure that should be listened to on issues such as sex and abstinence and fails to have her own children even listen to her. Her own daughter comes out and says it unrealistic to expect teenagers not to have sex and then goes out on a tour telling other teens that even through she has sex, they shouldn't. Sounds like she is following right in mom's footsteps.
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Name: Margaret
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Kay, I don't reflexively support the Palins, what I am commenting on is the hypocrisy of people who heap venom on them. There are over 750,000 teenage pregnancies in the US every year, yet people jeer at her because her promotion of abstinence didn't work. Well, all the promotion of contraception in schools clearly doesn't "work" either, all those kids are getting pregnant too. And you are an example too....one in three American births is to an unmarried mother, and most people consider this quite normal - some live together for decades without getting married. Do you really believe that every other politician/public figure was a virgin when they got married? Why is she the ONLY one whom you hold to this "moral" standard of being a role model? She got married (before the birth, I believe) and has held the family together for 20+ years, so I think she has been living by the spirit of the family values she promotes.
Actually I think it is the other way around, there is a reflexive (and unnecessarily hostile) bias against her, as illustrated by the post I commented on, where something the disgruntled boyfriend said on TV was instantly taken as the truth and used to trash her as a "moral fake". People even snigger at her kids' names, while very few do so for all the odd names picked by certain celebrities. Bottom line, if this were a debate on the issues I'd probably be against her half the time, but I don't like seeing someone attacked like this for fallacious reasons, and I don't think ANYONE who is not a serial murderer or rapist should be attacked as viciously as she has been.
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Name: Kay
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While I agree that celebrities should not be our primary role models, Sarah Palin is a politician, a governor. There was a time when governors were leaders and role models; people that children could look up to to do what was right.
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Name: steph
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We shouldn't rely on "celebrities" to be role models for our children. We should provide the positive role models by the examples we make and teach our children.
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Name: Kay
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Margaret, why do you support the Palins in every ethical error they make? Do you think Sarah Palin, who was pregnant when she married, who continued a cycle with a pregnant daughter, is the type of person we need to have in authority? the type of person who can be role model for young women? What do you see in her that most other people do not see? Give me some legitamate reasons.
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Name: Margaret
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Palin has denied that, said it would have happened "over my dead body". Given her Christian beliefs, that's a whole lot more likely than what Levi said.
Way to trash somebody over an unsubstantiated assertion.
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Name: KAY
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Well, well, well. Levi said on the Tyra Banks Show that Sarah Palin allowed Bristol and him to sleep in the same bed overnight. What did she think they were doing? Discussing politics? Praying? What a moral fake she is!
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Name: reba
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I guess I am missing a post, but I don't follow this argument. What is the post that everyone is so upset about?
Oh, by the way, I am sure you have heard Bristol's Baby's Daddy has flown the coup?
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Name: Margaret
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Hey, come on guys, this is a civilized and respectful forum, even if we have differences of opinion. Gotta love R, there are over 750,000 teenage pregnancies a year and one in four have an STD, so all the sex-ed stuff you are promoting doesn't seem to be working too well either. All Sarah Palin said was that she would not support "explicit sex-ed" programs, and I'm sure there are many parents who don't want their elementary-school kids exposed to discussions about bananas and cucumbers.
Let's talk about solutions instead of slamming other people with trashy insults. Everyone talks about rape and incest...the fact is that the number of pregnancies arising from this is miniscule, less than one percent. Most abortions are after-the-fact birth control in the name of convenience, and I think there is a good case for opposing these. Why should the baby be deprived of life just because the mother was irrresponsible? What about partial birth abortions, and even after-birth abortions (as supported by our President), do these babies have no rights? (At that point they ARE self-sustaining).
Getting side-tracked about Iraq doesn't further the abortion debate. People on battlefields aren't necessarily innocent, babies clearly are. Let's stay on topic.
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